{"id":32451,"date":"2020-03-28T18:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-03-28T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/?p=32451"},"modified":"2025-12-04T22:28:38","modified_gmt":"2025-12-04T21:28:38","slug":"les-deux-papes-tout-est-dans-le-dialogue","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/en\/cinema\/films\/les-deux-papes-tout-est-dans-le-dialogue\/","title":{"rendered":"\u00abThe two Popes: it's all in the dialogue"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Saturday Netflix &amp; chill - Lauriane Pipoz<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\"><strong><em>The two Popes<\/em><\/strong><strong> is a film that claims to be \u00abinspired by true events\u00bb. The central idea is indeed based on the confrontation between Pope Benedict XVI and the future Pope Francis. But make no mistake: based on these facts, the scenario is romanticized. If you think of this film as a tale, let me tell you why it becomes a breathtaking success.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more Lire la critique-->\n\n\n\n<p>En 2005, le scrutin pour l\u2019\u00e9lection du nouveau pape montre une division entre les cardinaux tr\u00e8s conservateurs et les \u00e9lecteurs plus progressistes. Beno\u00eet XVI (Anthony Hopkins), aux id\u00e9es plus traditionnelles, est finalement \u00e9lu. Plusieurs ann\u00e9es plus tard, suite \u00e0 un scandale, il \u00e9tudie l\u2019option de renoncer. Un face-\u00e0-face bouleversant avec le cardinal Jorge Bergoglio (Jonathan Pryce), le repr\u00e9sentant des forces plus progressistes, va le conforter dans cette id\u00e9e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Les deux Papes | Bande-annonce officielle VOSTFR | Netflix France\" width=\"1000\" height=\"563\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/hks-F8NeAkk?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Trois niveaux de compr\u00e9hension<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Ce r\u00e9sum\u00e9 est la trame principale du film. Mais il faut consid\u00e9rer qu\u2019il ne s\u2019agit que d\u2019un niveau du film pour pouvoir l\u2019appr\u00e9cier \u00e0 sa juste valeur. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2019\/11\/26\/movies\/the-two-popes-review.html\">Un niveau, parmi trois<\/a>. Le premier est un conte \u00e0 propos des coulisses du Vatican. Pour qu\u2019il soit cr\u00e9dible, il se base sur une part de v\u00e9rit\u00e9: il se d\u00e9roule en partie dans la chapelle Sixtine et nous montre le processus d\u2019\u00e9lection du souverain pontife. Mais ensuite, pour susciter l\u2019\u00e9motion, il doit bien s\u00fbr s\u2019en \u00e9loigner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;C\u2019est pour cette raison que les \u00abdeux papes\u00bb sont st\u00e9r\u00e9otyp\u00e9s. Le pape Beno\u00eet XVI est excessivement ferm\u00e9 d\u2019esprit et avide de marquer sa diff\u00e9rence avec son ancien rival. &nbsp;\u00abJe ne suis d\u2019accord avec rien de ce que vous dites\u00bb, martelle-t-il au d\u00e9but du film. A l\u2019inverse, plus le film avance, plus il se rapproche sinon des avis du cardinal Bergoglio, mais de sa mani\u00e8re de les amener. En bon catholique conservateur allemand, il finit par accepter l\u2019humour. Et m\u00eame \u00e0 y prendre go\u00fbt. Ce pape repr\u00e9sentant l\u2019\u00e9lite adopte de plus en plus des attitudes populaires, pour finir par appr\u00e9cier le sport \u00e0 la t\u00e9l\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mais il vaut quand m\u00eame la peine de nuancer. Oui, des oppositions manich\u00e9ennes sont visibles. Notamment l\u2019opposition entre l\u2019intellectuel et l\u2019homme du peuple qui est souvent soulign\u00e9e. Mais quelques \u00e9l\u00e9ments me permettent de dire qu\u2019elle ne l\u2019est pas autant que <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lefigaro.fr\/vox\/culture\/les-deux-papes-le-film-de-netflix-est-une-fiction-peu-convaincante-20200108\">certains critiques l\u2019ont avanc\u00e9<\/a>. Parmi d\u2019autres exemples, Beno\u00eet XVI appr\u00e9cie de manger devant la t\u00e9l\u00e9 un repas avec sa bouteille de Fanta. Bien s\u00fbr, je ne nie pas que ce soit compatible avec une attitude intellectuelle; les \u00e9lites appr\u00e9cient certainement aussi ce genre de plaisirs. Mais ce qui me fait dire qu\u2019il s\u2019agit d\u2019un plaisir coupable est sa mise en sc\u00e8ne: on le voit passer un bon moment \u00e0 travers une lourde porte entreb\u00e2ill\u00e9e. Veut-on nous dire que le pape n\u2019est pas aussi \u00e9litiste qu\u2019il veut le bien montrer?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"731\" src=\"http:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/anthony-hopkins-les-deux-papes.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-32453\" srcset=\"https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/anthony-hopkins-les-deux-papes.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/anthony-hopkins-les-deux-papes-1170x713.jpg 1170w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/anthony-hopkins-les-deux-papes-585x356.jpg 585w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/anthony-hopkins-les-deux-papes-150x91.jpg 150w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/anthony-hopkins-les-deux-papes-300x183.jpg 300w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/anthony-hopkins-les-deux-papes-768x468.jpg 768w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/anthony-hopkins-les-deux-papes-1024x624.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/anthony-hopkins-les-deux-papes-600x366.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Des dialogues grandioses<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Le deuxi\u00e8me niveau de compr\u00e9hension fait de ce film un v\u00e9ritable chef-d\u2019\u0153uvre: ses dialogues, port\u00e9s par deux tr\u00e8s grands acteurs. Ces joutes verbales constituent le v\u00e9ritable \u00e9l\u00e9ment central \u2013 et principal int\u00e9r\u00eat \u2013 du film. Dr\u00f4les, intelligents, int\u00e9ressants, ils refl\u00e8tent parfaitement le jeu d\u2019Anthony Hopkins et de Jonathan Pryce. J\u2019ai d\u2019ailleurs eu un v\u00e9ritable coup de c\u0153ur pour ce dernier: n\u2019\u00e9tant pas une grande fan de <em>Games of Thrones<\/em>, je l\u2019ai d\u00e9couvert dans ce film. Et quelle d\u00e9couverte! Il a su insuffler une part de tendresse dans chacune de ses expressions, rendant son personnage aimable bien au-del\u00e0 des faits qui sont avanc\u00e9s. L\u2019\u00e9motion que suscite ce film provient donc largement de ce jeu fin et touchant, qui nous conte la construction de l\u2019amiti\u00e9 entre deux hommes que tout oppose.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Les dialogues sont port\u00e9s au sommet par une mise en sc\u00e8ne savamment orchestr\u00e9e. Elle est si belle que j\u2019en ferai le troisi\u00e8me axe du film: elle pourrait largement se suffire \u00e0 elle-m\u00eame. Alternance de couleurs et de nuances de gris, plans statiques et balayages lin\u00e9aires, zooms exag\u00e9r\u00e9s ou insertion d\u2019images documentaires, la forme sugg\u00e8re qu\u2019il faut regarder le film plusieurs fois pour en saisir toutes les subtilit\u00e9s. Et le fond que la construction des \u00abdeux papes\u00bb tiendrait facilement face \u00e0 de multiples visions.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1066\" src=\"http:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-32454\" srcset=\"https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963-1170x780.jpg 1170w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963-585x390.jpg 585w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963-263x175.jpg 263w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/XVM6dc797b8-225d-11ea-a35b-a2f2b4ba8963-600x400.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Un conte beau et plein d\u2019esprit <\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Vous pouvez choisir de voir \u00abLes deux papes\u00bb comme un documentaire sur la transition entre le pape Beno\u00eet XVI et le pape Fran\u00e7ois. Dans ce cas, il est rat\u00e9. D\u2019abord, certains faits sont d\u00e9lib\u00e9r\u00e9ment romanc\u00e9s pour les besoins du film, comme la relation entre Jorge Bergoglio et sa \u00abfianc\u00e9e\u00bb \u2013 excusez mes travers, je n\u2019ai pas pu m\u2019en emp\u00eacher. Mais surtout, la partie de la discussion entre ces deux hommes concernant les abus sexuels est tue. Ce qui montre bien les limites de la recherche documentaire sur une institution o\u00f9 le silence r\u00e8gne en ma\u00eetre: des t\u00e9moignages des principaux int\u00e9ress\u00e9s et de leur entourage seraient indispensables \u00e0 une telle entreprise. Et impossibles \u00e0 obtenir.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ce n\u2019est donc certainement pas le but de ce film. Choisissons de ne pas le regarder comme un manifeste pour le pape Fran\u00e7ois et la r\u00e9forme de l\u2019Eglise, mais bien pour ce qu\u2019il est: une fiction appuy\u00e9e sur certaines dates et \u00e9l\u00e9ments documentaires. Pour les besoins de l\u2019ancrage dans un certain d\u00e9cor, pour donner force et \u00e9motion (les magnifiques images a\u00e9riennes de l\u2019\u00e9lection de Beno\u00eet XVI et des retrouvailles entre lui et son successeur!) \u00e0 un film qui devient alors un chef-d\u2019\u0153uvre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Write to the author:&nbsp;<\/em><a href=\"mailto:lauriane.pipoz@leregardlibre.com\"><em>lauriane.pipoz@leregardlibre.com<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Photo credit: \u00a9 Netflix<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"750\" height=\"1111\" src=\"http:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/5989871.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-32455\" srcset=\"https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/5989871.jpg 750w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/5989871-585x867.jpg 585w, https:\/\/leregardlibre.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/5989871-101x150.jpg 101w, 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